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Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:19 am
by worldruler086
Thought we could have a discussion about this. I think her videos shine a light on a problem, but she has a major habit of looking at the symptoms rather than the problems.
Here's her second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs
And her first, in case you haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q
I'll discuss my quarrels tomorrow. Just got off my shift and I have off tomorrow, so I'll let you guys have a whack at it before I start off.
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:23 am
by TLRedemption
I never thought she would make another, I thought she was going to walk off laughing manically at all the idiots who funded this stupid project that didn't even need money to be made in the first place. And she's unsurprisingly once again removed all ways of posting opinion because all of them will be "trolls".
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:40 am
by worldruler086
Way I see it, she hasn't prevented us from discussing it. plus the second video was temporarily flagged and taken down. So she's just making sure she's able to say what she wants to say.
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:36 am
by RevStoningpot
1 she looks like she's had a stroke 2 I automatically hate videos that won't so much as allow like/dislike voting. So fuck the bitch and what ever stupid shit she has to say. And WTF is trope?
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:32 pm
by worldruler086
Here's the definition from tvtropes:
"Merriam-Webster gives a definition of "trope" as a "figure of speech." In storytelling, a trope is just that — a conceptual figure of speech, a storytelling shorthand for a concept that the audience will recognize and understand instantly.
Above all, a trope is a convention. It can be a plot trick, a setup, a narrative structure, a character type, a linguistic idiom... you know it when you see it. Tropes are not inherently disruptive to a story; however, when the trope itself becomes intrusive, distracting the viewer rather than serving as shorthand, it has become a cliché.
On this wiki, "trope" has the even more general meaning of a pattern in storytelling, not only within the media works themselves, but also in related aspects such as the behind-the-scenes aspects of creation, the technical features of a medium, and the fan experience. The idea being that storytelling is not just writing, it is the whole process of creating and telling/showing a story.
Around here, it is a stunt root, as in, "That isn't really different enough from our other tropes to be separately tropeable." Whether or not a subject is a trope is referred to as being "tropeable" or "tropeworthy"; works that are particularly tropeable are often referred to as Troperiffic.
The intent being to set Noah Webster spinning in his grave as quickly as possible.
Don't let all this give you the impression that we exactly invented our sense of "trope": the more or less synonymous expression "resonating tropes" long pre-existed the site and community here, and you will find people outside of and independent of the site using the word "trope" in the same fashion that we do. Note that currently the Oxford English Dictionary actually recognizes the definition "a significant or recurrent theme; a motif", its earliest quotation for this meaning being from 1975. Merriam-Webster also somewhat recognizes this meaning, but twists it into "a common or overused theme or device: cliché", which seems unjustly condemning.
We also didn't invent the notion of finding and cataloging as many tropes as humanly possible or the idea of all media being formed around the same set of core tropes. A perusalnote of our Books on Trope page and the works linked there will show you that people have been identifying and discussing patterns in media for centuries. The first troper on record was, in fact, Aristotle. Yes, THAT Aristotle."
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:40 pm
by mitte90
1/ the games she talks about target guys.
2/ guys like power
3/ guys is by nature a gardian of his partner/kids
4/ not all games use this plot ( war games is a good exemple )
games are supposed to test our instinkt and let us feel emotions without danger to u or ur girl.
she cant see why we play those games and dont see a differens between love ( will to protect ) and slavery.
we cant help that we have instincts
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:06 am
by Bloop the poop
mitte90 wrote:1/ the games she talks about target guys.
2/ guys like power
3/ guys is by nature a gardian of his partner/kids
4/ not all games use this plot ( war games is a good exemple )
games are supposed to test our instinkt and let us feel emotions without danger to u or ur girl.
she cant see why we play those games and dont see a differens between love ( will to protect ) and slavery.
we cant help that we have instincts
This. Also, I couldn't bother to watch through more than five minutes of her first video simply because of how biased it was/where it was going. IMO she's wrong; there's games out there like tomb raider; a version of assassins creed; and tons of rpgs let you be girls if you desire. Obviously, a channel called 'feminist frequency' would be spouting BS like this. I know there are still womens rights issues and I do think women should be equal to men, but I fucking hate it when women blame all their problems on men when it was clearly their fault....you can also see how much flak this video would've received if it had comments and ratings enabled.
In response to mittes point, if we did make a call of duty centralized around women [I'd laugh at what infinity ward/ treyarch could come up with] feminists would automatically start complaining about how it goes against women ect. ect.
It's a neverending circle, really.
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:41 am
by LoneSoldier55
worldruler086 wrote:Thought we could have a discussion about this. I think her videos shine a light on a problem, but she has a major habit of looking at the symptoms rather than the problems.
Here's her second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs
And her first, in case you haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q
I'll discuss my quarrels tomorrow. Just got off my shift and I have off tomorrow, so I'll let you guys have a whack at it before I start off.
>Giving a fuck about what this dumbshit thinks
>Keeping your opinions to yourself because person in question is not of a male gender
>She blinks way too fucking often when she speaks, upwards of at least once every second
Women who get butthurt about this kind of shit can find the nearest high object with sharp matter at the bottom of it and throw themselves off the said high object.
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 10:37 pm
by worldruler086
I don't agree with her, lone. Just agree that she has a point. I completely disagree with her conclusion though. I think the problem is more to do with bad writing in general, and we should ask for more. She seems to have a problem with the old adage "Don't attribute malice to what could easily be attributed to stupidity".
Re: Damsel in Distress: Sarkessian's videos
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:30 am
by LoneSoldier55
worldruler086 wrote:I don't agree with her, lone. Just agree that she has a point. I completely disagree with her conclusion though. I think the problem is more to do with bad writing in general, and we should ask for more. She seems to have a problem with the old adage "Don't attribute malice to what could easily be attributed to stupidity".
She doesn't have a point. Writers will write what they fucking want and what will sell the most. You can't tell me Gears of War or SPESS MEHREENS would have been better if there was a Female actor in place of the person. It just makes sense, and these people try to bend it out of proportion.