Change the Spawn

[OdinFire]

So I know the current spawn represents something of dear/important/cool history to many old players and regulars but to be honest, that doesn't change the fact that its plain ugly. If I had just logged onto the server and seen a mishmash of crossing wood, annoying surrounding body of water and a giant hole in the ground, wouldn't most think, "This server, even the spawn is ugly," or "Can't they build decently?" or "Seems very noobish server". Plus most regulars or old players who even lived in Eden barely play anymore and I doubt go back to spawn frequently to view for nostalgia.

[LoneSoldier55]

nice and protected spawns are for hugboxes

"anarchy" implies destruction and chaos

spawn reflects this

[A. Pippenger]

I agree with Odin, I think it's time for a change.

We've had several more decorated and organized spawns in the past. This isn't some attempt to change the server, just a return to how it has been before. An organized spawn shows that we have competent builders and admins who give a fuck, and both of those things are important parts of this server. But I guess someone would prefer to make everyone look at the ruins of a random base he once helped with for all eternity.

[Yukar9]

Do new players ever complain about the actual protected spawn being ugly? I've never heard of any complaints of Eden being ugly, it's always the unprotected area.

[LoneSoldier55]

I agree with Odin, I think it's time for a change.

We've had several more decorated and organized spawns in the past. This isn't some attempt to change the server, just a return to how it has been before. An organized spawn shows that we have competent builders and admins who give a fuck, and both of those things are important parts of this server. But I guess someone would prefer to make everyone look at the ruins of a random base he once helped with for all eternity.

>min-max autisming the spawn will save players
I don't even care that it looks like eden
you seem to think that if everything isn't perfectly in order the sever will drop into a slum, which it already is in since a whole lot of months ago

[OdinFire]

Yukarion people don't voice their opinions on the spawn actually, but instead its more upon a subconscious register. Seeing an ugly spawn makes a server look cheap. There is no reason to complain about a server looking cheap but rather, just leave the server to find a server that gives a better first impression. That's why those server with the big village spawns with all the ugly shacks selling stuff never get off the ground. In our case, that spawn is just ugly.

[A. Pippenger]

I don't think anything in particular is responsible for the server's decline, I think it mostly has to do with anarchy and minecraft as a whole becoming less popular. However, this doesn't mean certain factors can't have some impact- how much we advertise (irl or online), how laggy we are, how we treat new players, how spawn looks, etc. Any particular change probably won't fix the server on its own, but a lot together could bump the population up to more tolerable levels. It doesn't take much really, nobody wants 100 players at once. But there's a massive difference between how it feels when there are 2 players online and 8, even though it's only 6 more people.

I think Odin is right here. Not many people look at the eden spawn, say it sucks, and leave. But it has an effect on how people see our entire server. When spawn looks like shit, and the land for hundreds of blocks around spawn looks like shit, you have to wonder if the entire server looks like shit. And if spawn is full of weird pits and stuff you can fall into or is easy to get lost in, the way the eden ruins are, it can just be frustrating and make you quit. The sandstone spawn was a nice, safe refuge from the monsters, and the stone spawn we had before was simple, but at least provided a convenient meeting ground and had some cool obstacle courses. Both looked nicer and made the server more appealing.

Keep in mind, nobody is asking for spawn to give actual gameplay advantages. Nobody wants free food or enderchests. We just want something a little bit less ugly and confusing.

[LoneSoldier55]

may I remind you that minecraft is pretty far along its decline and that there is a very small pool of new players to even pick from

[A. Pippenger]

may I remind you that minecraft is pretty far along its decline and that there is a very small pool of new players to even pick from

That's mostly true.

However, I don't see that as meaning that we should give up. I see it as meaning that we should work harder. Many online games stay active enough among dedicated fans to support multiplayer for years, though not at peak levels. People still play Starcraft, older Smash Bros games, Dark Souls 1, and other games that aren't new anymore but offer a unique experience. So far, no game has replicated and improved on the Minecraft formula- there are cheap ripoffs nobody plays, and there are decent games like Terraria and Everquest that do something similar to but significantly different from Minecraft. Until this game is replaced by another, superior game that does everything the same but better, I don't see why we can't keep a small but healthy server going for several more years.

Keep in mind also that many other servers aren't seeing the massive decline we've been seeing, especially late last year. Large amounts of people are still playing the game, even if they're mostly stupid kids. Saying the pool of players is "very small" is an exaggeration.

Really, think about how many people still play Minecraft, compared to how many we need for a healthy server. We need, what, 25 daily players at maximum, but really only about 10, right? There probably aren't millions of people playing online anymore, but is the pool really so small that we couldn't get a dozen or so new regulars? If people would actually vote, maybe put up a couple flyers, or agree to small changes like this, I really don't see why the goal is unattainable.

[LoneSoldier55]

may I remind you that minecraft is pretty far along its decline and that there is a very small pool of new players to even pick from

That's mostly true.

However, I don't see that as meaning that we should give up. I see it as meaning that we should work harder. Many online games stay active enough among dedicated fans to support multiplayer for years, though not at peak levels. People still play Starcraft, older Smash Bros games, Dark Souls 1, and other games that aren't new anymore but offer a unique experience. So far, no game has replicated and improved on the Minecraft formula- there are cheap ripoffs nobody plays, and there are decent games like Terraria and Everquest that do something similar to but significantly different from Minecraft. Until this game is replaced by another, superior game that does everything the same but better, I don't see why we can't keep a small but healthy server going for several more years.

Keep in mind also that many other servers aren't seeing the massive decline we've been seeing, especially late last year. Large amounts of people are still playing the game, even if they're mostly stupid kids. Saying the pool of players is "very small" is an exaggeration.

Really, think about how many people still play Minecraft, compared to how many we need for a healthy server. We need, what, 25 daily players at maximum, but really only about 10, right? There probably aren't millions of people playing online anymore, but is the pool really so small that we couldn't get a dozen or so new regulars? If people would actually vote, maybe put up a couple flyers, or agree to small changes like this, I really don't see why the goal is unattainable.

the server is practically on life support
you're not going to get what was once.